Kevin McCarthy’s explosive “joke” points toward a darker questions: How long have leading Republicans known about Donald Trump’s Russia problem?

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (C), R-California, speaks to the press after dropping out of the race to become Speaker of the House on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, October 8, 2015. AFP PHOTO/JIM WATSON (Photo credit should read JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)

All in all, Mueller is probably the best we could have hoped for in this moment, although some expert observers like Marcy Wheeler are concerned that the scope of the investigation is not broad enough. My recollection of special counsels and/or special prosecutors not exactly the same thing is that their investigations are always broadened over time as evidence develops, so Id imagine that is likely here too. And as Ian Milhiser at Think Progress reported, there are some safeguards that prevent Trump from pushing Mueller around. This seems like a positive step for the investigation, but it may also mean the torrent of leaks will probably dry up a bit, which is bad for the political necessity of stopping the GOP agenda.

Even though the Mueller appointment is was very big news, the real bombshell was something else entirely, which may reshape that political problem. At almost the same moment the special counsel was named, the Washington Post dropped this stunning story:

The story goes on to say that there was some laughter on the tape and McCarthy then added swear to God. Speaker Paul Ryan stepped in at that point to demand secrecy about McCarthys comment saying, No leaks …This is how we know were a real family here.

Apparently, just prior to McCarthys comments the group had been in a serious discussion about Russian interference in European politics, based on a meeting Ryan and McCarthy had just had with Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman. It was just one day after the news broke about the hack of the Democratic National Committee, which was what prompted McCarthy to start talking about possible Russian influence in American politics.

Adam Entous, the Washington Post reporter who broke, the story appeared on MSNBCs Hardball with Chris Matthews last night and said that when he first asked the offices of Ryan and McCarthy for comment, they denied that any such conversation had ever taken place. He then told them he had a transcript of he conversation, and they claimed it was fake. Only after they were told that Entous actually had a recording that the move to the position that it had all been a big joke. (Some of President Trumps defenders have been saying his alleged comment to James Comey about letting Flynn off the hook was also a joke. Theres no word on why he wouldnt have been able to make such a wisecrack with Jeff Sessions and Mike Pence in the room.)

If there is one person we can count on to spill the beans, its Kevin McCarthy. He has the worst case of foot-in-mouth disease in Washington. Recall that he was widely considered to be former House Speaker John Boehners heir apparent until he went on TV and admitted what the Republicans were up to. McCarthy said, Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because shes untrustable.

Setting aside the embarrassing neologism, his admission that the Benghazi committee was a farce ended up costing him the speakers job. Hes still the House majority leader because Ryan only took the speaker job on the condition that he wouldnt have to dirty his hands with nonstop fundraising, which is McCarthys special talent. One imagines that donors love him for his willingness to dish. He is completely devoid of all discretion.

As for the Russia comment, its easy to understand why McCarthy would point to Dana Rohrabacher. The California congressmans affection for Vladimir Putin and Russia was so well-known that it inspired me to write a piece for Salon last summer suggesting that he would make the perfect running mate for Donald Trump. (He was unhappy with another aspect of that article, but didnt dispute that he had a penchant for all things Russian.) Rohrabacher was most recently spotted making a pilgrimage to France to pay fealty to Marine Le Pen, the right-wing candidate favored by Putin in the recent presidential election, so his interests in that regard havent waned.

But what about Trump? This meeting happened in May of 2016. At that point in the election cycle, he was certainly known to have made flattering comments about the Russian president and had been flattered in return. There was lots of joking about his affection for dictators and strongmen. But there hadnt any public talk, to that point, about Trumps campaign being affiliated with Russia. His comments asking the Russians to hack Hillary Clintons emails certainly raised eyebrows, but suspicion didnt start bubbling up in earnest until campaign manager Paul Manaforts ties to the previous pro-Putin government in Ukraine came under scrutiny and he was forced to resign.

Keep in mind, McCarthy said this just one day after the Washington Post had reported for the first time that Russians were suspected of hacking the DNC. We dont know what information any of them had at the time, but its clear that these top-level Republicans were talking among themselves about possible interference in the election a full year ago. Maybe they genuinely thought it was hilarious but the fact that they never bothered to step up at any point as this issue emerged and have stonewalled the investigations all along suggests other possible interpretations.

But then, as Ive written before, the GOP House majority was a major beneficiary of Russian hacking themselves, a fact that rarely seems to get mentioned in all this. So Ill ask once again, in light of the fact that Ryan and McCarthy seem to have been aware of these possible Russian shenanigans much earlier than the rest of us: What did the majority leader and the speaker of the House know about Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump? And when did they know it?

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